In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Claire Parsons discuss:
- Integrating mindfulness into high-pressure professional environments
- Navigating mental health challenges while maintaining demanding careers
- Rethinking traditional views on business development for introverts
- Building emotional resilience and clarity through intentional daily practices
Key Takeaways:
- Starting with just one minute of daily meditation can create subtle but lasting shifts in emotional regulation, clarity, and resilience under pressure.
- Mindfulness doesn’t eliminate stress but reshapes how it’s processed, making space for more grounded decisions and healthier coping habits.
- Emotional regulation skills gained through meditation reduce fear of rejection, making business development feel less risky and more authentic.
- Practices like breathwork, body scans, and loving-kindness help professionals stay centered during conflict, reconnect with purpose, and act from intention rather than reactivity.
“A lot of law practice involves a gut check… and you have to consistently check in with your values to make sure you’re representing your client as best you can.” — Claire Parsons
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About Claire Parsons: Claire E. Parsons is a Cincinnati-based attorney practicing in school law, employment law, and litigation. In addition to her legal work, she teaches mindfulness and compassion to lawyers and professionals and frequently shares her insights on these topics through her blog, Brilliant Legal Mind, and her published books. Claire draws on both personal experience and formal training to make mindfulness practices accessible, practical, and effective for busy professionals. Her work blends deep legal expertise with a commitment to well-being, helping others find clarity and resilience in high-pressure environments.
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FULL TRANSCRIPT
Steve Fretzin [00:00]
Hey everybody. Steve Fretzin here, and before we get to the show, I just want to mention how excited I am to be invited by Chris Dreier to speak at the pimcon conference coming up in October. You can sign up for that if you’re a personal injury attorney, you’re going to want to get on that right [email protected] P, I m, c o n, dot O, R, G, that’s all I have for today. Enjoy the show.
Narrator [00:22]
You’re listening to be that lawyer, life changing strategies and resources for growing a successful law practice. Each episode, your host, author and lawyer coach, Steve Fretzin, will take a deeper dive helping you grow your law practice in less time with greater results. Now here’s your host, Steve Fretzin.
Steve Fretzin [00:46]
Hey everybody, it’s Steve Fretzin, and I’m just so happy that you’re here for the be that lawyer podcast. We are again rocking and rolling twice a week to help you be that lawyer, confident, organized and a skilled Rainmaker. My job is to work with lawyers every day to bring out the best in them, and part of that is finding great guests that can share their wisdom and help encourage you to be your best lawyer self. And today is absolutely no different. Claire, how are you?
Claire Parsons [01:13]
I’m doing all right.
Steve Fretzin [01:14]
Good to see you. Good to have you here. Let’s jump right in, and let’s do our quote of the show. This is a very simple, straightforward one work is love made visible. That is not one that we’ve had on the show before. That is a truly unique quote of the show. But welcome to the show. First of all, and second, tell us a little bit about that quote and why it’s special to you.
Claire Parsons [01:33]
Yeah. So it’s from the prophet by Khalil Gibran, which I know a few decades ago was like all the rage, but not as many people read it now, I came upon it, and I will tell you, I think everyone should read that book of poetry is excellent, but his poem on work talks about work in a different way than I think anyone thinks about it. I know like I was raised Catholic, and so in the Bible, work is kind of presented as a punishment for our sins. I think of work differently. I actually like a lot of kinds of work, and have taken on extra work for myself besides my law practice. But I think that when you love what you do and you bring it into your work, it changes the dynamic, and it just makes it so that you’re really living your values, instead of this arboreal, you know, arduous, laborious process that’s always a grind. I mean, sometimes there’s hard parts of it and sometimes there’s boring parts, but it can really be how you find yourself and tie yourself to a community. So I think that’s what it means.
Steve Fretzin [02:32]
Fantastic. I don’t have a completely different take on it, but I feel like I do enjoy sales and selling. I teach sales Free selling. So I enjoy, like, following my own process to find a win, win and a fit for people that want to work with me. But what I really love is I love teaching people the methodology. I love the idea that I can get results in my world by getting results for other people in their world. And so when I hear about work, is love made visible that really resonates with what I feel I’m doing every day. Somebody might argue that point, but that’s kind of how I take it, and why I pop out of bed and ready to go every day. So thank you so much for sharing that lovely quote everybody Claire Parsons, attorney and mindfulness teacher and would love and we met through the wonderful Paul fariga, who’s been on the show once or twice, and amazing friend of ours and friend of the show, but give us a little bit of background on yourself and how you came to be in getting involved in mindfulness.
Claire Parsons [03:28]
Yeah, so I, I’m a practicing lawyer at a pretty large regional firm here in the Cincinnati area. I’ve been practicing over 15 years now. I do school law, employment law, litigation, so still practicing, I also teach mindfulness, and I’ve been practicing meditation for over 10 years now, and I came to meditation the old fashioned way. And what I mean by that is that I had mental health challenges, and I had to learn to find a better way of dealing with them. And so my challenges had historically been overthinking perfectionism and a lot of anxiety, and that at times when things were going well, that would generally mean I was a type A achiever. Got good grades, always did my work was usually doing extra stuff to help other people, but when things went bad, I didn’t have the coping skills to deal with it. When I had my first daughter, I had difficult pregnancy. She was small, and then she came out. I got put on bed rest. I had to be induced all kinds of stuff. And then she came out, and I couldn’t breastfeed her. And basically the message I got from that was that I had failed as a woman and a mother didn’t have the skills to deal with it, and eventually recovered from that, but I learned that her happiness was really dependent on mine, and so I had to figure out some better ways with dealing with life. I had come across just books on Buddhism. I studied philosophy in college. Came across got interested in meditation, and I actually started about a year after I had my daughter, when I was really busy with my practice. And I started at one minute a day. Day, and it just immediately started to help me. I mean, it was small, subtle shifts at first over time, it made more differences in my life, and we can talk about that, but it was just such a stark contrast that I couldn’t keep it to myself, and that’s when I started speaking and teaching about it.
Steve Fretzin [05:15]
Yeah, and I don’t know too many lawyers who aren’t dealing with significant stress, either all the time or on, you know, often and often occasion. So why do you think that stress is so prevalent in legal versus other industries?
Claire Parsons [05:30]
I don’t know that truly stress is more prevalent in legal versus other industries. I think a lot of other industries have a lot of pressures and stresses, but I do think with the service role that we are in as lawyers, we have high expectations and high client demands, a lot of competition and stress. You know, I was a litigator, and so there’s inherent stress just in dealing with difficult people going through difficult times all the time. And I think part of the role of being a lawyer kind of sets us up almost to think that we handle other people’s problems. We don’t have problems of our own, and so many of us don’t learn how to really manage stress and don’t understand it very well. But that’s why, when I talk about meditation, like it wasn’t so much that it made stress go away or it just made me calmer. It’s not that I just had this period in my day where I chilled out for a while. What changed was my response to stress, and fundamentally, what changed was that I started to learn that I could not just handle my stress on my own. We’re social beings, and social support is the best thing you can do to manage stress, but I would isolate, keep things to myself, feel shame about being overwhelmed with things, and so I wouldn’t get that help. And so meditation was wonderful because it helped me get out of my head to the point where I could actually make wiser decisions for myself and ultimately for my law practice over time.
Steve Fretzin [07:00]
And there’s my understanding. And I mean, I’m a transcendental meditation person, but is there a particular form of meditation that you practice, that you really in, that you teach?
Claire Parsons [07:09]
I teach a few different practices, and what I would say I teach now is secular mindfulness. So I have experience in a few schools of Buddhism. I’ve done some retreats with Vipassana, with some Zen retreats and others. And I studied, I mean, in America, you tend to study a lot of different kinds, but I would say what I teach is secular mindfulness. So most of that practice consists of breath focus. That’s what I do almost every day. But I also think some really important other practices are ones that get you attune to your body, and also ones that include some aspect of compassion or kindness. A loving kindness is a favorite practice of mine, and I do emphasize self compassion a whole lot when I talk to lawyers, I know people can be resistant to it, and they think maybe it’s not so great for people in competitive industries. I think it’s exactly what people in competitive industries need, and research shows how important it is. So that’s a lot what I’m teaching. But in addition to the practices, I also try to help people understand how it actually can work for them, because, like TM, I could not do I’ve tried to do mantra meditation, and it’s just not for me. But there’s a lot of different ways you can cultivate and develop a focus besides like mantra, there’s a lot of different varieties and tools out there, and so it’s not so much what practice you do, but more understanding that there’s supports and things out there for you to get that help if you are struggling with your practice.
Steve Fretzin [08:36]
So what are some of the fundamental parts of good meditation, of what you’re teaching, what are some of the different pieces that come together so that it benefits the individual?
Claire Parsons [08:47]
Yeah, and I’ve talked about this a little bit in my book. I have one specifically for lawyers, and I identify four practices within that I think are really essential. And one thing I’ll say is exploration is great, and trying things out is wonderful, and apps make that really easy for people, but for lawyers, specifically, I sort of identified like the breath focus. And I think working with the breath is great. Some people can have trouble with it, but most people it’s great because it’s tied to your nervous system. It’s a wonderful way to be able to, like, learn to regulate yourself, but some kind of focus where you’re building that capacity to be with something for an extended period, right? Whatever that period is, being with it and seeing things clearly. The other thing that’s important is body awareness. So body scan is a wonderful practice to do again. Some people, if they have trauma or other things, could be a little bit of a warning sign. They may need some more help dealing with that, but getting attuned to your body is amazing. From a self care standpoint. I also have a joy practice that I actually teach, and I think being attuned to positive things in your life that exist, it’s like the low hanging fruit of wellness. Yeah, something you can do, but a lot of people just overlook. It because they’re too busy. And then I kind of teach that also to set it up to start learning some of the compassion and heart practices, which include love and kindness, which is one where you bring people to mind and send them kind wishes. It sounds like a lot of wishing, and it’s not necessarily that effective. Research shows it’s really powerful, and honestly, it feels really good. And when you spend a day fighting with people over email on cases or going to court and yelling at people, it is a lot nicer to come home and remember what you actually care about and connect with that.
Steve Fretzin [10:32]
Yeah, I think it’s very difficult to do your job as a lawyer. Do your job anywhere but do your job as a lawyer with clients in complex matters and everything and business development when you’re under stress and when you’re feeling overwhelmed and when just it’s coming at you like a fire hose into an open mouth. How does mindfulness help with good business development and just good general like practice of law.
Claire Parsons [11:00]
These days, I mean, I’ll tell you, I think it’s, honestly, it’s hard for some cases to even practice law, because sometimes it’s getting to the point where personal attacks are happening against the lawyer. I mean, a lot of times it’s the indirect like the clients fighting it out and whatever. But even becoming personal involving lawyers, and, for instance, I do school law, and so I’m often the bad guy, right? I’m representing the School District, and a lot of times the other the parents attorneys hate me, and the parents themselves hate me, and it can be really hard, and so you’ve got to find that steadiness. And I don’t only rely on meditation for that. I rely on my team at my firm and my friends and my family a whole lot too. But what I will say is, meditation absolutely comes into play there, because a lot of law practice involves a gut check, and it’s often like, who am I going to be in this case? And you have to consistently check in with your values to make sure you’re representing your client as best you can. You’re representing yourself as best you can, because you’re dealing with hard stuff, there’s risk, there’s people who don’t like you, there’s hard situations. And so you’ve got to have that. And so I think meditation, other than just the time to calm down and whatever, checking in with myself and my intention every day, or at least most days, that is huge. But if you’ve got that from daily practice, for just managing your law practice. It’s amazing how you can just start developing business too. You know, I used to be really afraid of developing business. I thought it was like sales, and I thought it wasn’t good at it. I thought I’m an introvert. I don’t like networking. But what I’ll say is like having learned to, you know, manage my emotions. What you learn when you can start to manage things like fear, and you can sit with fear or anger or disappointment or even shame, it’s no big thing to go walk in front of a crowd of 500 people, or go tell your story on LinkedIn to 1000s of people you don’t know that open the door to relationships and think it’s no big deal to Send out a an email to a client about potentially a pitch or maybe an idea, and if they reject you, you’ve got the skills to deal with it, but sometimes, a lot of times, they say yes, and you get a new relationship with it. Yeah, that’s how it’s really these values and understanding who you are and being really clear about that, and then having the skills to deal when things don’t go well.
Steve Fretzin [13:22]
Well, it’s very difficult to do business development if you have head trash and a negative attitude and you’re feeling overwhelmed and things are coming at you 1000 miles an hour. So I think it’s sort of, you know, a critical aspect of and we, I’ve talked about this on the show with other folks that you know, this is your battery. This is your, you know, your mind and your body. That’s what you’re you know, that’s the tool you’re working with. And you’re not taking care of the tool. You’re letting it sit in the sink and get rusty and get dirty, and you’re not doing the right things to clean it. So, you know, I’m doing, you know, I don’t want to do this, but I’m doing Pilates two, three days a week. I have to drive there. It’s me and a bunch of women and fine, like, I’m cool with that, but I don’t want to be there, like I would rather just sleep in or whatever, but I know how critical it is to take care of myself and stay flexible and build muscle and all that. And I just think we need to build habits into our lives to allow for us to take care of the battery, the mind and the heart and the body.
Claire Parsons [14:23]
Yeah, and I think, like, there’s several components to mindfulness that I think people don’t always appreciate. So there’s the in the moment. There’s this value of doing the practice where you get a few minutes and you get to rest, and you get to calm down, and that is good for your nervous system. It’s good for you to have that time when you’re not in meditation, though cleaning out the head trash, that’s exactly what the practice can do is like where you start to realize when you are thinking, you start to build habits and skills for challenging those thoughts. So you maybe want to send an email to. To an old client and reach out and just reconnect, but then you think, Oh, I don’t want to bother them. Or they’ll think I’m weird, or they’ll think I’m trying to sell them, and they will hate me, and all this stuff and the parade of horribles goes through your mind.
Steve Fretzin [15:14]
You’ve already you’ve already accomplished the future without even trying.
Claire Parsons [15:18]
Yes, and I’m not saying, if you meditate, that’s going to stop. It probably won’t, or it’ll take a long time for that to go away. But if you start to meditate and build those skills and practice them over time, you will then say, Wait, is that true? Is that actually likely to happen, or is that really how that person behaves? We went through a really big case, and they were really happy with my performance. Maybe we can just try, or maybe if they respond badly, I’ll just have to learn how to deal with it. Yeah, and you can then move forward. And so some of the things I’ve said, you know, people ask me a lot, so I have a blog, and I have, I have managed a blog, I have a law practice, I have kids, I’ve written books, and people have asked me how I manage that. And some of it is, honestly, the Writing helps me clear out my mind, which is good. But the other thing is, writing doesn’t take time. What takes time is all the hand wringing and the doubt and the crap that you have to go through before you can ever put words on a page and then ever dream to publish them. That doesn’t actually take that much time. It’s the doubt and stuff and meditation helps me deal with the doubt.
Steve Fretzin [16:27]
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Claire Parsons [19:05]
Yeah, and I think some of it is also just capacity. So I think, like, if you do have some regular things in your life, whether it’s meditation or working out, I also work out, and I would say that’s absolutely essential to what I do every day for myself. But I think if you have some things in your life that are for you, it kind of shifts your mind to from overwhelm to understanding the reality that you do have some pockets in your life, and when you see that there’s some pockets, then you might see more opportunities. Because it’s really hard to grow if you feel like you can’t manage the stuff that you’ve got, it’s really hard to go try to get more business when you have what feels like a never ending to do list and you don’t ever have any time for yourself. So I just think one of the things about like meditation, specifically, but also other things, is that it opens up your mind to the possibility of a different future, and when you open your mind up to that. But then you start to imagine, and then you start to actually come up with a plan, and then you start to implement it. So I just think it’s huge from that standpoint.
Steve Fretzin [20:09]
I mean, do work with people too on the fact that they’re taking on too much? I mean, that’s a big problem with lawyers is their inability to say no, or their inability to delegate, and working with people all the time on that, but I’d love to get your take on it.
Claire Parsons [20:23]
I am not really a coach in that regard, like I would help people if they wanted to figure out how to use meditation as a tool or mindfulness as a tool in their life. But I don’t know that I would necessarily call myself a coach.
Steve Fretzin [20:36]
Well, not coaching, but would that would the meditation or things you work with them help them answer questions about things that they should do or not do?
Claire Parsons [20:44]
Yeah, I think what I would say is, like the mindfulness answer to some of that is that you’re paying attention to how you feel right, and you’re paying attention a little bit more to what your gut tells you. I’m not the kind of I’m not a yes person. I’m not a pleaser actually, but I am someone who wants to do everything. I literally get excited about so many things, and I get just at the start of a new project. I just get so much energy. And sometimes I have found myself getting a little beguiled by what might seem like impressive or cool, and I don’t always think real practically about it. So what I’ve had to learn to do is pay attention to how things really feel. Am I saying yes to this because I like this person, or I feel like I should or because it’s really something I want to do? And like as an example, I just edited a treatise for LexisNexis on employment contract, and they asked me to write it. And I said, No, I don’t want to do that. But then they said, Do you want to edit it? And I was like, Oh, I kind of like the idea of editing. I’ve never gotten to do that before. I have a big LinkedIn network. I’ll see if I can recruit some people. And we actually got it done. And there was a lot of that project that was a pain. And there were a lot of times when I was like, oh my god, I’m going to tear my hair out. All these chapters are coming at the end. But ultimately, I wanted the experience of editing that book. I wanted to go through that process and see it from that side. I wanted to work with other lawyers to help them get their chapters done. And it ultimately was a good one for that reason, but I had to have a long, hard sit with myself about, Am I doing this because it’s impressive, or am I doing it because I want to do it? And I think part of what mindfulness teaches you to do is to check in with yourself and what is really coming up. Both where you give yourself some time, you also give yourself some permission, but you also know where to look for the signs. You know you know where to look for these things. It’s not to say you’ll never make a mistake, but if you’re looking and being honest with yourself, you’ll get there more often than not.
Steve Fretzin [22:39]
Yeah, something I want to go back to is, I think people give each other that people give themselves a lot of negative mind, you know, games and a lot of negativity, and they don’t really consider how far they’ve come, or how much they’ve accomplished, or how positive the day actually was, and they just dwell on that angry client, or they dwell on the emails that they haven’t, you know, been able to get out that they thought they were how do you work with mindfulness to help people focus on the joy and focus on the positives?
Claire Parsons [23:11]
One piece of it is to remember that joy and just being excited and exhilarated, going to the theme park and being on a roller coaster are not really the same thing. There’s actually one thing to pay attention. I’m going on retreat next week, and one thing that you notice when you go on retreat is that really kind of boring food gets really exciting when you don’t have as much stimulation. Just going on a walk outside is like the form of entertainment that’s, you know, glorious when you’re on retreat, because you’re away from a lot of things, and so I think one thing is that it connects you with the simple pleasures in life, and helps you connect more directly with what true joy is. Often it comes from connection and having our basic needs met. And so reconnecting with that, I think, more often, helps you remember what really matters, the practice of loving kindness, though, I think one of the things that it really one of the things it does for me, like a lot of people, do gratitude practice directly, I sometimes find that to be a little bit fake and forced, and I sometimes can’t connect with it authentically. But when I do loving kindness, where I bring to mind the people I love, the people that I care about, the people that you know are in my life and in my community, I feel gratitude. I remember what matters. And so I think reconnecting with that, it helps. And when you remember what matters, I also find that the incidental consequence is often motivation like you, you know you want to work harder, maybe for that client that you actually really appreciate. You want to go help your colleague more, because they just helped you last week. And so that those are the ways I do that, through my meditation practice, and I think they’re really effective to do.
Steve Fretzin [24:53]
Yeah, wonderful, wonderful stuff. So let me ask you, we have a new segment that we’re doing called in. This case, Claire’s big mistake, and it’s again, what happened to you in your life that was incredibly challenging, that you were able to overcome and learn something really important that you would share with everybody.
Claire Parsons [25:11]
I think in the context of this podcast, because I was joking with you earlier, I was like, I can’t just pick one mistake. Obviously, I think in the context of this podcast, I’ve already talked about, like, mental health issues and mistakes there. But when it comes to business development, the big mistake was, like, thinking that I couldn’t do it. I’m not necessarily claiming that I’m the biggest Rainmaker in the world, but I have been able to, like, create a relatively large LinkedIn network. I’ve been able to launch a blog on my own. I am pretty well known as a speaker and someone who can, you know, manage client relationships. And I’ve had some success even early on being at my new firm, growing into a kind of a little bit of a new jurisdiction for us from the school law standpoint. And I think some of what I didn’t realize was that, as an introvert, you actually have a lot of skills when it comes to networking and business development, I mean organization, being able to write and think through things, forming close relationships with people and trust relationships. You know, all of those are really great skills. And I think for a long time I was afraid to start exercising those skills and training those muscles, because I, like, told myself I couldn’t do it. It was when I realized that I could network and develop business and all of that, but I had to do it my way. That’s when everything started to change. And ultimately, like my life in law practice actually got happier. So I think like opting out and coming up with stories about who I was or wasn’t in a negative way. I think that was probably my biggest mistake.
Steve Fretzin [26:45]
Got it. Yeah, I do work with a ton of introverts. And the other thing I’ll say about them is they’re really many of them, not all, but many of them are hungry for structure, and they’re not interested in going out there and in a room with 200 people all drinking and figuring it out in the moment and realizing this is excruciating, but to walk in with a game plan, to walk in with an infomercial, to walk in with confidence, you’ve emailed five six people ahead of time that you said, hey, I’ll meet you there, and the preparation and the systems of in the language of what to do and Say, I found to be very successful working with introverts. And you know, again, whether you come up with it on your own, and you come up with your own way about it, or you steal from, you know, the books and the podcasts and the videos that work for you, whatever the case is, you’ve got to do something to break through. If you want to build a book of business, you can’t, you know, hope it into existence. So really, really interesting stuff. As we wrap up, want to take a moment to thank our wonderful sponsors. Of course, pimcon coming up in October in Scottsdale, Arizona. If you’re a PI person and you want to go to the number one conference in of the year, this is the one also you’re gonna want to check out my friend Sonia on law her podcast. She’s crushing it every single day. And of course, I’ve got my new book. It’s been out for a month or so now, based on when we’re recording this and when it’s going to come out. But be that lawyer, 101 top Rainmaker, secrets to growing a successful law practice. So lots and lots of goodies there. Claire, if people want to get in touch with you, they want to hear more about what you do. They want to work with you on mindfulness. What are the best ways for them to reach you?
Claire Parsons [28:20]
Yeah, the best way to find me is on LinkedIn at Claire E Parsons, and they can also check out the blog of brilliant legal mind. It is on WordPress and also social media. It’s on LinkedIn that’s probably the best place to follow and the book How to be a badass lawyer is on Amazon, if they want to quickly learn meditation in about 150 pages.
Steve Fretzin [28:43]
Yeah, and what a great title, too. By the way, you’re putting some of my titles to shame. So thank you for that. Well, listen, I appreciate you being on the show sharing your wisdom. I mean so many things to unpack around joy and mindfulness and the things that we have to do to take care of ourselves, to survive and thrive in this current environment. It’s really critical for us take a look inward, right at ourselves and what we need to do to protect ourselves and our investment in the future by just, you know, being smart about things. So thank you so much, Claire, yep. Thanks for having me. Yeah. And thank you everybody for hanging out with Claire and I today on the be that lawyer podcast. You know we’re here for your listening and viewing pleasure. If you check us out on YouTube. It’s viewing also the new book is, if you want to get some of the you know, it’s like a truncated version of some of the Rainmaker interviews we’ve done. So they’re an intertwined but thank you. Everybody. Take care. Be safe, be well. We will talk again very soon.
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